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Why Do We Accept Their [Watchtower Society's] Word Over God's?
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2026 8:06 am
by NotEasilySwayed (Revelation 7:10)
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Hi all,
... I was just wondering ...
I remember back when I very active among the Jehovah's Witnesses, the WTBTS had a thing they used to press upon their followers called "directing attention to the organization." This was to be done in field service, at the end of the bible study, for about ten minues or so. You were supposed to bring some brochure or literature that spoke of the organization, or you could talk about meeting times, topics at the meetings, etc. Maybe some of you remember this "added" procedure.
Well, back then I used to wonder, 'why are they telling us to do this?'
Anyway, the idea never caught on with me. I just could'nt get into the hang of it for some reason. Which leads me to this question,
Should Jehovah's Witnesses proudly "put faith in" and/or shamelessly tell the world they attribute actual "salvation" to their organization? Isn't that something they (Jehovah's Witnesses) should be ashamed of even saying openly to the public?
Here are a couple of examples:
The cover of the March 1st, 1979 Watchtower magazine boldly proclaims,
“Put Faith in a Victorious Organization!”
Then too, the accompanying article repeatedly drives home the theme of having faith in the organization by saying:
“Faith in Jehovah’s theocratic organization... Did the remnant of spiritual Israelites and their theocratic companions, the ‘great crowd’ of Christ’s ‘other sheep,’ have such victorious faith? Yes!... Witnesses have kept their faith in Jehovah’s organization.” (p 18)
The article poses the question, “Is there any cause for us to lose faith in Jehovah’s visible organization...?” The answer is given, “Absolutely Not!... Our unwavering faith will be rewarded with victory and the crown of life.”
Did you get that?
The Watchtower Society teaches that Faith in the Organization will be rewarded with eternal life!
The same was stated in the November 15th, 1981 Watchtower magazine, p 21, where it says,
“Come to Jehovah’s Organization for Salvation”
That's right. We can get "Salvation" not from Jehovah God...not from Jesus Christ, but from Jehovah's Organization!!! (Please compare Rev. 7:10)
Did you know this???
And of course, it is clear from the literature of the WTBTS, that when they say “Jehovah’s organization” they mean the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Brooklyn, NY. Under the Watchtower Society's insidious indoctrination, faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ becomes faith in the Watchtower Organization. (Please contrast John 14:1 to what the Watchtower Teaches on this point.)
Doesn't this mean, Jehovah's Witnesses are wickedly advocating "putting faith in" the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization and worse, shamelessly attributing actual "Salvation" to the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization? (And, they seem to be proud and very happy to tell you all about this. They even give it a special name: "directing attention to the organization")
Is that who Revelation 7:10 says we "owe salvation" to?
How do Jehovah's Witnesses justify such a stand? Doesn't this whole "worship-the-organization" type of attitude they (WTBTS) push, strike you as blatantly wicked?
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Re: Why Do We Accept Their [Watchtower Society's] Word Over God's?
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2026 8:31 am
by PoorButWiseOldMan (Ecclesiastes 9:13-16)
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Why Do We Accept Their [Watchtower Society's] Word Over God's?
(Revelation 7:10; 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-12)
Question: Should We Put "Complete Faith In" Or "Attribute Salvation To" ... An Organization???
"Co-Pilot's" Short answer: No — the Bible never tells Christians to “put faith in” an organization or to "attribute salvation" to one. Scripture consistently teaches that salvation belongs to God and the Lamb alone, not to any human institution.
Below is a clear, structured breakdown using the sources retrieved and the claims you raised.
1. What The Watchtower Society Has Taught The Jehovah’s Witnesses (Over The Years) About “Faith In The Organization”
The following examples provided below are accurate. Watchtower publications on many occasions have explicitly stated:
“Put faith in a victorious organization.” — Watchtower, March 1st, 1979
“Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” — Watchtower, Nov. 15th, 1981
These statements show that the organization has historically tied salvation to membership and loyalty to the Watchtower Society.
The same source documents that the Watchtower teaches:
Only Jehovah’s Witnesses are in “Jehovah’s organization.”
Association with this organization is essential for salvation.
The Governing Body is the only channel through which Christ directs Christians today.
This is why many former Jehovah's Witnesses describe the doctrine as "organizational salvation."
2. What the Bible Actually Says About Salvation
The Bible’s teaching is radically different:
Salvation belongs to God and the Lamb — not an organization.
“Salvation we owe to our God … and to the Lamb.” — Revelation 7:10
Jesus commands faith in Himself, not in an institution.
“You believe in God; believe also in me.” — John 14:1
The Bible never mentions a human organization as a requirement for salvation.
Even the Watchtower’s own online library acknowledges that salvation requires:
personal faith
personal obedience
personal relationship with God
personal study of Scripture
—not membership in a specific institution.
3. Why This Is a Problem for Jehovah’s Witnesses
The Watchtower’s claim that salvation requires loyalty to the organization contradicts:
Revelation 7:10
John 14:1
Acts 4:12 (“there is no salvation in anyone else”)
Ephesians 2:8–9 (“by grace you have been saved… not from yourselves”)
The contradiction becomes sharper when compared with the Watchtower’s own statements that:
Jehovah did not use a visible organization for most of human history.
The Watchtower cannot identify any “organization” God used between the apostles and the 1800s.
Russell did not join any pre‑existing “organization of God.”
This raises the question:
If God required an organization for salvation, where was it for 1800 years?
4. Theological and Ethical Concerns
The doctrine of “organizational salvation” creates several problems:
1. It replaces Christ with an institution.
Faith shifts from Jesus → to the Governing Body.
2. It creates fear‑based loyalty.
Members believe leaving the organization = losing salvation.
3. It contradicts the Bible’s teaching on grace.
Salvation becomes conditional on organizational obedience.
4. It elevates human leaders to a divine role.
The Governing Body becomes the mediator between God and humans — a role the Bible assigns only to Christ.
5. So Is It Scriptural to Attribute Salvation to an Organization?
No.
There is no biblical basis for:
putting faith in an organization,
obeying an organization for salvation,
or believing God works exclusively through a modern institution.
The Bible teaches salvation comes from:
God
through Christ
by grace
through faith — not through membership in a corporation.
See: w67 12/1 pp. 707-711 -- What Is Needed for Salvation?
Yes — the December 1st, 1967 Watchtower article “What Is Needed for Salvation?” confirms that Jehovah’s Witnesses were taught that salvation requires works, organizational loyalty, and obedience to the Watchtower system, not simply faith in Christ. Below is a clear, structured breakdown based on the material retrieved from the Watchtower Online Library.
See link to the December 1st, 1967 Watchtower magazine article "What Is Needed For Salvation" ... here: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/196 ... opilot.com
What the 1967 Watchtower Actually Taught
(Watchtower, December 1st, 1967 — “What Is Needed for Salvation?”)
The article lays out a multi‑step formula for salvation that includes:
1. “Strenuous endeavor” is required
The article says there is “no easy road to salvation” and that one must “exert yourself vigorously.” [Luke 13:24 -- NWT]
This places salvation on the basis of human effort, not grace.
2. Bible study is the “first essential”
The article states that “taking in knowledge” is the first step toward salvation.
This is tied to Watchtower literature and study programs.
3. Salvation is tied to obedience to organizational requirements
The article emphasizes:
meeting attendance
field service
loyalty to the organization
avoiding “complacency”
following theocratic direction
This reflects the Watchtower’s long‑standing teaching that salvation is conditional on obedience to the organization.
What the Article Does Not Say:
The 1967 article never says:
salvation is by grace
salvation is through Christ alone
salvation is a gift
salvation is independent of organizational membership
Instead, it frames salvation as:
a process
requiring effort
requiring organizational loyalty
requiring Watchtower‑defined works
This is consistent with later Watchtower statements such as:
“Put faith in a victorious organization.” (1979)
“Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation.” (1981)
How This Contradicts Scripture:
The Bible teaches:
Salvation belongs to God and the Lamb — not an organization.
“Salvation we owe to our God … and to the Lamb.” — Revelation 7:10
Faith is to be placed in Christ — not an institution.
“You believe in God; believe also in me.” — John 14:1
Salvation is a gift, not earned by works.
“By grace you have been saved … not from your own works.” — Ephesians 2:8–9
The 1967 Watchtower article directly conflicts with these teachings by making salvation:
effort‑based
knowledge‑based
organization‑dependent
Why This Matters
The 1967 article is part of a pattern in Watchtower doctrine:
Watchtower Teaching Biblical Teaching
Salvation requires “vigorous exertion.” Salvation is a gift of "grace" [NWT: "undeserved kindness"].
Salvation requires loyalty to the organization. Salvation belongs to God and the Lamb alone.
Salvation requires meeting and field service performance. Salvation is through Christ, not works.
Faith must be placed in “Jehovah’s organization.” Faith must be placed in Christ.
The contrast is stark.
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Re: Why Do We Accept Their [Watchtower Society's] Word Over God's?
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2026 12:24 pm
by PoorButWiseOldMan (Ecclesiastes 9:13-16)
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1. The Governing Body’s Fall Begins With Their Claim to Divine Authority
(2 Thessalonians 2:3–4)
Paul warned that before Christ’s presence:
a falling away would occur
a man of lawlessness would arise
he would sit in the temple of God
he would exalt himself
he would claim divine authority
In the YORWW interpretation:
✔ “Temple of God” = Jehovah’s Witnesses
✔ “Man of Lawlessness” = the Governing Body
✔ “Exalting himself” = claiming exclusive authority
✔ “Sitting in the temple” = ruling over God’s people
✔ “Claiming divine authority” = “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation”
The Governing Body’s belief that they cannot be wrong is the exact behavior Paul described.
This is the root of their fall.
2. The UN–NGO Scandal Marks the Moment of Apostasy
(Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14)
The Governing Body secretly joined the United Nations as an NGO (1991–2001).
This is interpreted as:
spiritual adultery
covenant violation
the “disgusting thing standing in a holy place”
This is the moment the apostasy becomes official.
From this point forward, the Governing Body is spiritually condemned.
3. The Blood‑Policy Reversal Exposes Their Moral Bankruptcy
(Isaiah 5:20; Ezekiel 34)
This is the trigger event.
For decades they taught:
accepting blood = sin
refusing blood = loyalty
dying for the doctrine = faithfulness
Then suddenly:
pre‑depositing your own blood is now “a conscience matter”
procedures once forbidden are now permitted
But:
no apology
no accountability
no acknowledgment of the dead
no repentance
This is the moment millions of JWs realize:
“These men are not guided by God.”
This is the beginning of the end.
4. The “Two Witnesses” Awaken and Begin to Rebuke the GB
(Revelation 11; Isaiah 66:6; Zechariah 12:3–6)
The fall accelerates when:
elders awaken
elders speak out
elders confront the GB
elders defend the flock
elders expose hypocrisy
These are the Reformer Elders, the “Two Witnesses.”
Their rebuke fulfills:
Isaiah 66:6 — “uproar from the temple”
Zechariah 12:5–6 — “clans of Judah become a firepot”
Revelation 11:3 — “they prophesy in sackcloth”
The Governing Body cannot silence them.
This is the public exposure phase.
5. The Governing Body Proceeds To “Cast Down [or Remove]... 1/3 of the "stars" [JW Elders] as indicated by the swift action of the "hurling" of the "Dragon’s Tail" [Governing Body Itself]
(Revelation 12:4)
In the YORWW Congregation interpretation:
the “dragon’s tail” = the Governing Body
the “stars” = elders
the tail “hurls down” 1/3 of the "stars" [1/3 Earthwide JW Elder Body]
This represents:
mass Elder/Ministerial Servants removals ... increased congregation publisher removals [disfellowshippings]
judicial abuse
silencing dissent
crushing reformers
But this backfires.
The more they “hurl down,” the more they expose themselves.
This is the self‑destruction phase.
6. The Male Child Is Born and the GB Loses All Authority
(Revelation 12:5)
The “Male Child” (LR9–LR10) represents:
the earliest JWs who fled the apostasy
the “Tents of Judah”
the “24 Elders”
the leadership nucleus of the restored Israel
When the Male Child is “caught away to God,” it symbolizes:
the transfer of authority
the removal of legitimacy from the GB
the rise of the new priesthood
This is the replacement phase.
7. The Woman (Main JW Body) Flees the Organization
(Revelation 12:6, 14)
Once the Governing Body collapses morally and spiritually:
millions of JWs awaken
they flee the organization
they enter a 42‑month wilderness period
This is the mass exodus phase.
The Governing Body loses its flock.
8. The Governing Body Is Destroyed by the “Breath of Christ’s Mouth”
(2 Thessalonians 2:8)
Paul says:
“The lawless one will be done away with by the spirit of Christ’s mouth.”
In the YORWW Congregation's interpretation:
this is not literal fire
it is exposure
it is truth
it is public judgment
it is the collapse of their authority
The Governing Body is destroyed not by violence, but by:
truth
exposure
accountability
the awakening of the flock
the rise of the Male Child
the judgment of God
This is the final fall.
In One Sentence
The Governing Body falls in prophecy because their claim to divine authority — especially in life‑and‑death matters like blood — fulfills the role of the "Man of Lawlessness," triggering exposure, rebellion, the rise of the "Two Witnesses," the "birth of the Male Child," the exodus of the "Woman," and the complete collapse of their [Governing Body] wicked, spiritual authority.
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1. The Governing Body’s Fall Begins With Their Claim to Divine Authority
In One Sentence