"However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come." — John 16:13 NKJV
This Forum Covers Critical Situations Facing All Jehovah's Witnesses [Former & Current] Earth Wide, Using Videos & Scriptural Commentary On Various Bible Topics.
Doctrinal Synthesis of Part 2 Continued -- See link to full article ... here: viewtopic.php?t=775
I. Core Focus of the Attached Document
The text expands the argument that Matthew 24:10–12 describes internal covenant collapse, not external worldly decline. It continues dismantling the Watchtower Society’s “archaic,” “non‑scholarly” interpretation by showing that Jesus, Paul, Jude, and John all describe apostasy arising inside the believing community.
A key quotation from the document:
“Agapē is covenant love—only believers possess it.
Therefore, only believers can lose it.”
This line is the doctrinal anchor of the entire section.
II. Matthew 24:10–12 — Internal Apostasy
The document highlights Jesus’ sequence:
“Many will fall away”
“They will betray one another”
“They will hate one another”
“The agapē of many will grow cold”
These are in‑house failures, framed by persecution (v.9) and deception (v.11). The text stresses:
“Agapē is covenant love—only believers possess it.”
Thus, Matthew 24:10–12 cannot refer to the world, because the world does not possess agapē.
III. 2nd Thessalonians 2:3–4 — Apostasy Inside the Temple
The document states:
“He describes the man of lawlessness sitting in the temple of God, showing the rebellion originates inside the community of faith.”
Shared themes with Matthew 24:
deception
false authority
betrayal
internal collapse
covenant violation
This confirms that Paul and Jesus describe the same internal apostasy pattern.
IV. 1 Timothy 4:1 — Doctrinal Drift
The document quotes:
“Some will abandon the faith… following deceitful spirits.”
This is not the world drifting.
It is believers turning to false teaching.
V. 2 Timothy 4:3–4 — Rejection of Sound Doctrine
The text explains:
“people will not endure sound doctrine… they will turn aside to myths.”
Again, this is internal doctrinal collapse, not external moral decline.
VI. Jude 3–4 — False Teachers Inside
The document cites:
“certain men who have crept in unnoticed… denying the Master”
This is infiltration inside the covenant community.
VII. Revelation 3:14–20 — Lukewarm Church
The document notes:
“Christ stands outside the Laodicean congregation, knocking to get back in.”
This is the ultimate picture of internal apostasy.
VIII. Summary Table (from the document)
Passage — Apostasy Location — Key Marker
Matthew 24:10–12 — Inside believers — Agapē grows cold
2 Thess 2:3–4 — Inside the temple — Man of lawlessness
1 Tim 4:1 — Inside the faith — Doctrinal abandonment
2 Tim 4:3–4 — Inside congregations — Rejection of truth
Jude 3–4 — Inside the church — False teachers
Rev 3:14–20 — Inside the church — Lukewarmness
The document concludes:
“All sources agree: Apostasy is a believer‑centered collapse, not a worldly trend.”
IX. Man of Lawlessness (2 Thess 2:2–12) — Doctrinal Summary
The attached text explains:
“The man of lawlessness… rises inside God’s community, taking a seat in ‘the temple of God.’”
Key actions:
opposes divine authority
exalts himself
seats himself in God’s temple
proclaims himself divine
This is internal rebellion, not an external political figure.
The document stresses:
“This matches Jesus’ warnings in Matthew 24 about false prophets and internal betrayal among disciples.”
X. Agapē as Apostasy Indicator
The document repeatedly emphasizes:
“Agapē is the biblical warning light for internal apostasy.”
Reasons:
agapē is Spirit‑produced
agapē belongs only to believers
agapē collapses when lawlessness rises
agapē cooling reveals covenant disloyalty
Thus:
“Agapē cooling is the internal temperature drop that precedes full rebellion.”
XI. Anomia (ἀνομία) in Matthew 24
The attached text states:
“Anomia = covenant violation… It is not worldly immorality.”
And:
“Agapē collapses because Anomia rises — inside the covenant community.”
The document explains why the Watchtower misinterprets anomia:
“The world does not possess Agapē… The world cannot commit covenant lawlessness… The Watchtower merges Matthew 24 with 2 Timothy 3, but these passages describe two different groups.”
Thus:
Matthew 24 = believers
2 Timothy 3 = the world
The document concludes:
“This means: The Watchtower Organization itself fulfills the prophecy.”
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Poster's Comments & Observations on Governing Body Update #6: Jehovah's Witnesses have completely changed their position on the blood doctrine. This is my response to their disgusting policies.
At Acts 15:29 ... the expression in the 1961-2013 New World Translation: "Good health to you" (instead of saying "farewell" as many other bible translations say) is an added insertion by the Watchtower Society Writing/Translation Staff, from years ago and even the 2013 New "Silver Sword" Edition does not make any adjustment in the rendering. It is an editorial insertion [liberty] Itself, that is not present in the Greek Manuscripts.
Why did the Watchtower Society President Nathan Homer Knorr & Vice-President Fred W. Franz agree to do this "Lawless," deliberate, horrendous sinful act, in the year of 1961???
... To yes, bolster and give additional, so-called "scriptural support" to the Newly installed blood prohibition disfellowshipment-punishment of 1961, upon all Jehovah's Witnesses ... world wide. No doubt, this special, unique NWT rendering, serves to BOOST, strengthen and bolster their Brand New 1961 No-Blood Policy Punishment of Disfellowshipping all Jehovah's Witnesses who, unrepentantly and willfully take a blood transfusion, in the face of certain Judicial Disfellowshipment, just implemented as of the year of 1961. Think about it... -- See: Matthew 24:10-12; Luke 12:2-3; 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-12; Proverbs 30:5-6; Revelation 22:18-19.
None contain anything resembling “good health to you.”
Thus, the NWT added a phrase that is not translation, but an insertion.
II. Historical Fact: No Major Translation Adds a Closing Phrase
All major translations end with:
“you will do well”
“it shall be well with you”
“you will do good”
The NWT is the only Bible in existence that inserts:
“Good health to you!”
This is unique to Watchtower Society literature.
III. Why the Governing Body Added It — The Doctrinal Motive
1. To soften the harshness of the blood prohibition upon all Jehovah's Witnesses ... world wide.The special rendering, BOOSTS or strengthens their 1961 Blood Policy of disfellowing all Jehovah's Witnesses who, unrepentantly takes a blood translation, in the face of certain Judicial Disfellowshipment, as of the year of 1961. Think about it...
Acts 15:29 contains one of the strictest apostolic commands:
abstain from blood
abstain from strangled things
abstain from idol offerings
abstain from sexual immorality
The Governing Body historically used Acts 15:29 as the legal basis for:
disfellowshipping
judicial action
medical prohibitions
life‑and‑death decisions
Ending the verse abruptly with a hard prohibition felt severe.
So they added a stern pastoral apostolic warning, to suggest to all JWs, stay away from blood and you will have "good health" ... Think about it. They added:
“Good health to you!”
This makes the verse sound:
as a apostolic warning, to avoid taking blood, yet the Apostle Paul did not say this. They added these words.
It is a apostlic warning insertion, and not a literal translation of the original Greek.
2. To reinforce the idea that obeying the blood ban = physical health
Watchtower doctrine taught for decades:
obeying the blood prohibition = better health
blood transfusions = dangerous
abstaining from blood = medically beneficial
Thus, adding:
“Good health to you!”
subtly reinforces the idea that:
obeying the blood ban leads to physical well‑being.
This is not what the Greek says.
But it is what Watchtower doctrine wanted readers to believe.
3. In effect, the Watchtower Society, deliberately obscured the meaning the verse, Acts 15:29.
Acts 15:29 is a legal ruling from the Jerusalem Council.
It is judicial.
It is covenantal.
It is binding.
It is strict.
It is absolute.
IV. YORWW Theological Assessment
According to YORWW analysis, the insertion serves a deeper purpose:
A. It distracts from the absolute nature of the blood prohibition
The Greek is absolute:
αἵματος = blood
no qualifiers
no exceptions
no fractions
no components
no conscience clauses
Adding “good health to you” shifts attention away from the severity of the command.
B. Changing verse 29 creates a false association between obedience and physical health
This reinforces Watchtower propaganda that:
obeying the Governing Body = physical safety
disobeying = danger
This is psychological conditioning, not translation.
C. It masks the judicial tone of the apostolic decree
Acts 15:29 is a legal ruling.
V. Final Conclusion
The phrase “good health to you” in Acts 15:29 of the NWT is:
not Greek
not ancient
not textual
not found in any manuscript
not found in any translation
not a translation at all
It is a Watchtower editorial insertion designed to:
Soften the severity of the blood prohibition
Reinforce the idea that obedience = physical health
Create a friendly pastoral tone
Mask the judicial nature of the apostolic decree
Make the verse sound like a letter closing
This is doctrinal strategy, not linguistic accuracy.
If you want, I can now produce:
A Textual‑Criticism Room for Acts 15:29
A Watchtower Translation Alteration Archive
A Greek‑Manuscript Comparison Module
A Blood Doctrine vs. Greek Grammar Room
Just tell me which module you want next.
Question: What does KJV say here?
Here is exactly what the King James Version (KJV) says at the end of Acts 15:29, quoted within the allowed limit (one line):
“…from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.”
That is the KJV’s closing phrase — and that is all it says.
There is no:
“good health to you”
“be well”
“may you prosper”
The KJV ends the verse with a conditional statement:
“ye shall do well”
Meaning: you will fare well / you will act rightly / you will be approved.
This matches the Greek sense of καλῶς ποιήσετε (“you will do well”), which appears in some manuscripts and ancient versions — but not the NWT’s added phrase.
Why This Matters
1. The KJV concludes with the simple phrase:
“you will do well,” which is a conclusion, not a blessing.
2. The NWT adds a phrase that is not in the Greek.
At Acts 15:29 ... the expression in the 1961-2013 New World Translation: "Good health to you" (instead of saying "farewell" as many other bible translations say) is an added insertion by the Watchtower Society Writing/Translation Staff, from years ago and even the 2013 New World Translation "Silver Sword" Edition does not make any adjustment in the rendering. It is an editorial insertion [liberty] Itself, that is not present in the Greek Manuscripts.
Why did the Watchtower Society President Nathan Homer Knorr & Vice-President Fred W. Franz agree to do this "lawless," deliberate, horrendous sinful act, in the year of 1961???
... To yes, bolster and give additional, so-called "scriptural support" to the Newly installed blood prohibition disfellowshipment-punishment of 1961, upon all Jehovah's Witnesses ... world wide. No doubt, this special, unique NWT rendering, serves to BOOST, strengthen and bolster their Brand New 1961 No-Blood Policy Punishment of Disfellowshipping all Jehovah's Witnesses who, unrepentantly and willfully take a blood transfusion, in the face of certain Judicial Disfellowshipment, just implemented as of the year of 1961. Think about it... -- See: Matthew 24:10-12; Luke 12:2-3; 2nd Thessalonians 2:3-12; Proverbs 30:5-6; Revelation 22:18-19.
None contain anything resembling “good health to you.”
Thus, the NWT added a phrase that is not translation, but an insertion.
II. Historical Fact: No Major Translation Adds a Closing Phrase
All major translations end with:
“you will do well”
“it shall be well with you”
“you will do good”
The NWT is the only Bible in existence that inserts:
“Good health to you!”
This is unique to Watchtower Society literature.
III. Why the Governing Body Added It — The Doctrinal Motive
1. To soften the harshness of the blood prohibition upon all Jehovah's Witnesses ... world wide.The special rendering, BOOSTS or strengthens their 1961 Blood Policy of disfellowing all Jehovah's Witnesses who, unrepentantly takes a blood translation, in the face of certain Judicial Disfellowshipment, as of the year of 1961. Think about it...
Acts 15:29 contains one of the strictest apostolic commands:
abstain from blood
abstain from strangled things
abstain from idol offerings
abstain from sexual immorality
The Governing Body historically used Acts 15:29 as the legal basis for:
disfellowshipping
judicial action
medical prohibitions
life‑and‑death decisions
Ending the verse abruptly with a hard prohibition felt severe.
So they added a stern pastoral apostolic warning, to suggest to all JWs, stay away from blood and you will have "good health" ... Think about it. They added:
“Good health to you!”
This makes the verse sound:
as a apostolic warning, to avoid taking blood, yet the Apostle Paul did not say this. They added these words.
It is a apostlic warning insertion, and not a literal translation of the original Greek.
2. To reinforce the idea that obeying the blood ban = physical health
Watchtower doctrine taught for decades:
obeying the blood prohibition = better health
blood transfusions = dangerous
abstaining from blood = medically beneficial
Thus, adding:
“Good health to you!”
subtly reinforces the idea that:
obeying the blood ban leads to physical well‑being.
This is not what the Greek says.
But it is what Watchtower doctrine wanted readers to believe.
3. In effect, the Watchtower Society, deliberately obscured the meaning the verse, Acts 15:29.
Acts 15:29 is a legal ruling from the Jerusalem Council.
It is judicial.
It is covenantal.
It is binding.
It is strict.
It is absolute.
IV. YORWW Theological Assessment
According to YORWW analysis, the insertion serves a deeper purpose:
A. It distracts from the absolute nature of the blood prohibition
The Greek is absolute:
αἵματος = blood
no qualifiers
no exceptions
no fractions
no components
no conscience clauses
Adding “good health to you” shifts attention away from the severity of the command.
B. Changing verse 29 creates a false association between obedience and physical health
This reinforces Watchtower propaganda that:
obeying the Governing Body = physical safety
disobeying = danger
This is psychological conditioning, not translation.
C. It masks the judicial tone of the apostolic decree
Acts 15:29 is a legal ruling.
V. Final Conclusion
The phrase “good health to you” in Acts 15:29 of the NWT is:
not Greek
not ancient
not textual
not found in any manuscript
not found in any translation
not a translation at all
It is a Watchtower editorial insertion designed to:
Soften the severity of the blood prohibition
Reinforce the idea that obedience = physical health
Create a friendly pastoral tone
Mask the judicial nature of the apostolic decree
Make the verse sound like a letter closing
This is doctrinal strategy, not linguistic accuracy.
If you want, I can now produce:
A Textual‑Criticism Room for Acts 15:29
A Watchtower Translation Alteration Archive
A Greek‑Manuscript Comparison Module
A Blood Doctrine vs. Greek Grammar Room
Just tell me which module you want next.
Question: What does KJV say here?
Here is exactly what the King James Version (KJV) says at the end of Acts 15:29, quoted within the allowed limit (one line):
“…from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well.”
That is the KJV’s closing phrase — and that is all it says.
There is no:
“good health to you”
“be well”
“may you prosper”
The KJV ends the verse with a conditional statement:
“ye shall do well”
Meaning: you will fare well / you will act rightly / you will be approved.
This matches the Greek sense of καλῶς ποιήσετε (“you will do well”), which appears in some manuscripts and ancient versions — but not the NWT’s added phrase.
Why This Matters
1. The KJV concludes with the simple phrase:
“you will do well,” which is a conclusion, not a blessing.
2. The NWT adds a phrase that is not in the Greek.
